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got you started writing the book? We know you didn't start
out thinking it was silly
On the contrary, I was utterly convinced it was silly.
A friend, Joanna Wexler, had told me I had to write about
Oxford and I'd done a little research, but I certainly wasn't
a convert. Originally I thought I'd write a comedy about
silly people who believe Shakespeare isn't Shakespeare,
and why they believe it, and I'd put a forgery in.
And you were going to write it for Otto Penzler?
He asked me for a 60-page chapbook, and I decided to do
the Shakespeare authorship story for him. He got it, called
me up and said, "It's marvelous, marvelous
but,
um, did I tell you the name of the series," and it
was something like Guns, Gore, and Girls.
Was Posy part of it then?
Posy was there from the beginning. As I recall, the 60-page
version begins "Posy believes in Shakespeare and Posy,"
something like that. From the beginning she was this tremendous
egotist who was still young and vulnerable and, of course,
lusciously attractive.
And has good clothes.
Posy went out shopping with two women writer friends of
mine, Shariann Lewitt and Dora Goss. We found outrageous
pink and green and fluorescent orange clothes, and tiny
black miniskirts, and Dora decided she had to have a necklace
of enormous real pearls.
That pearl necklace works nicely with Elizabeth's.
It was fun doodling with parallels between the Elizabethan
world and modern London. Posy's necklace; Joe going up in
the London Eye and seeing the medieval walls of the City
of London; Southampton in jeans making an entrance at the
Diesel Café near Posy's apartment. My favorite is
Joe discovering where the Theatre was, and looking back
down the road toward Fisher's Folly, and four hundred years
melt away like snow under his workboots.
Did living in England help you to write the book?
I'd lived in London, but I'd never really seen the City,
so I had to do a lot of onsite research there. And of course
I had to research the whole Elizabethan piece.
To what extent do you use your background as an English
scholar?
As little as possible, really. When I was in grad school,
everything was hugely theoretical--my thesis advisor invented
the idea that the writer's biography didn't matter. The
things that worked for me in grad school were reading everything,
reading the unimportant books--that was considered a very
dull thing to do.
I had the great luck to take Shakespeare from Robert Lowell.
He would sit in front of the class and read the play aloud,
very slowly, in a rumbling deep voice with that New England
accent, and every once in a while he'd stop and say "Hamlet
was mad," or "Falstaff was mad," or "That's
a good line." He taught me to hear the music. He told
me my final paper for the class made him cry, which is the
best praise I ever got in grad school.
I suppose, come to think of it, Joe's way of speaking comes
from Robert Lowell.
Joe's an odd choice for the main character of an academic
mystery. How did you come up with him, and why did you decide
to make him the man he is?
Joe was the hardest character to write. When you're writing
a first-person story, the story has to matter to the main
character more than it could ever matter to anyone else
in the world. What goes wrong has to be utterly wrong, utterly
destructive, the end of the world. Who would have complete
faith that Shakespeare is Shakespeare, and who would be
completely devastated if he weren't?
So Joe Roper is a man like Shakespeare, with even fewer
advantages than Shakespeare. He comes from a nearly dead
town in Vermont; his father runs a hardware store. When
he was nine years old he started reading Shakespeare by
accident, and destiny's finger pointed at him and the lightning
struck, and he fell in love with Shakespeare and wanted
to know who this man was. He's bootstrapped his way up through
the University of Vermont, he's working his way through
graduate school at Northeastern by installing windows, and
somehow, somehow, he wants to get good enough to write Shakespeare's
biography. He's been given the chance of cataloging a collection
of Elizabethan materials, and in it he finds a letter--supposedly
from Shakespeare, saying Shakespeare didn't write the plays.
And is he devastated?
Well, no; at the beginning, he's absolutely sure the letter's
a forgery. So he intends to act like a literary detective
and prove it's wrong, because he's Shakespeare's man.
That letter's fictional, but most of what they find
is historical evidence. Can you talk about how that happened?
Did you find all this evidence yourself?
A lot of people have written about the authorship controversy
and I stole from them. But I did find a couple of things,
and one big thing, the poem.
In the book, Katherine Darnell says that "If it
is important to know who wrote Shakespeare's plays, if it
is important to find lost plays or poetry by Oxford, I believe
that
by some miracle someone will find it." How did you
find it? Did you deduce that the poem had to be where it
was, or was it a miracle?
You have no idea. What Joe does in the book was more or
less what I did. He looks at a minor playwright who might
have worked with Shakespeare, Anthony Munday. He starts
reading Munday, and he comes across a volume from the Elizabethan
era with three small books of poetry in it. He reads two
of them, and they're awful, and he's tempted to give the
volume back to the librarian without reading the third;
but he grits his teeth and keeps reading, and in the third
book, there's a poem that's much too good to be Munday.
I gave the book back.
I gave the book back, it was past lunchtime, I was tired,
and then thought, "Naah, you know, I'll never find
a copy of this book anywhere else, I'd better take a look
at it." And, goodness, it wasn't bad at all. I liked
it so much I asked the British Library if I could get a
Xerox of it, and, bless their hearts, they Xeroxed this
Elizabethan book for me.
I didn't get to read it until I was on the plane going
back to America. We were trying to take off from Heathrow,
into the middle of an enormous storm, winds something like
90mph, driving rain. The plane was skittering down the runway
like spit on a griddle, and I was reading the poem to take
my mind off things, and I began to notice all those amazing
words and how good the poetry was and I put my hands together
and prayed, "Don't let me die, don't let me die, I
have to tell someone about this."
Is the poem Shakespeare's?
That would be hard to say. Who is Shakespeare, over ten
years before the earliest datable piece of Shakespeare we
have? How would he write before he'd read Sidney and Spenser
and Marlowe? But I would bet significant money it's Oxford's.
But what you're really saying is that you have the smoking
gun, a big Shakespearean poem that was written by the Earl
of Oxford.
I'm very carefully not saying that. First, Joe's passion
is my passion; I adore Shakespeare. I think if one's going
to say something so radical about him, one should prove
it again and again and again, and one should keep an open
mind until then. The more one prepares one's mind to see
every argument, the better one sees.
And, second, it scares me. I found something like
that? Who am I?
But it's Oxford's. And it's more like Shakespeare's work,
in hard-to-duplicate ways, than anything else I've read.
With all this new information, why did you write a novel,
not a Shakespeare biography?
As if I could. But the real answer is that the Shakespeare
story isn't only about Shakespeare's life; it's a much more
complex story that includes Shakespeare the man, Shakespeare
the idol, Shakespeare the genius, our readings of Shakespeare
over the past four hundred years. As Marjorie Garber has
said, she doesn't want to know too much about Shakespeare's
mere life because she wants to leave him sufficiently blank
to hold the rest of the story.
To tell a huge, complex story like Shakespeare's, you need
a big group of characters, each holding on passionately
to his or her own Shakespeare and denying all the rest.
You want them dissing each other's ideas and betraying each
other and stealing manuscripts and doing all the stupid
things that keep us shaking our heads and laughing.
The most magical moment of a story is when one character
says something, and it's true, and another character criticizes
it, and that's true too. Novels leave room for many layers
of truth.
How did you choose the names you did?
In the first novella version of the story, I thought it
would be cute if everyone had the sort of allegorical names
that characters had in Tudor-Stuart plays, "gold"
and "gossamer" and so on. If Posy ends up marrying
Joe, she'll be Margaret Roper, who was St. Thomas More's
beloved daughter. Stupid author tricks, but the names seemed
to suit them, so I kept them.
Does the meaning of that ladder-type thing on the front
of the book become clear by the end of the book? Does it
have a meaning?
I have no idea what it means, but anything that beautiful
must have a meaning.
Was it easier to write this book than the historical
mysteries? How long did it take you?
This was actually easier to write because I had the scaffolding
of Oxford's life. But when I found the poem, I realized
it had to be part of the book, and that meant a lot of rewriting.
Will the characters continue in another book?
No, I think this is a one-off. But there could be a book
with an Elizabethan setting...
Who do you see playing the lead roles in the movie?
Posy wants Cate Blanchett to play her, but Posy's fantasizing
herself tall and blond and gorgeous. I wrote Joe's role
thinking of Matt Damon, but I'm probably fantasizing too.
It would be marvelous if he did it. He would be perfect.
What's next? Any more of your previous series?
I'm working on a book set in New York about survivors of
a tragedy--but the time is 1912 and the tragedy is the sinking
of the Titanic. It's the fourth of the increasingly
inaccurately named Vanished Child trilogy. The working
title is A Woman's Voice.
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