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Magic,
Witches, and War:
A Conversation about A Citizen of the Country
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A Citizen of the Country reminds
me of a fairy tale. There’s
all the fortune-telling, the magic, stage magic, curses, haunted castles,
transformations. Were
you influenced in how you told the story by magic or fairy tales?
Did you talk to any magicians?
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| SS: |
Absolutely, by magic, fortune-telling,
and fairy tales.
In the book, the characters
are making a magic film, full of special effects. André, the director,
is a stage magician; he runs the Grand Necropolitan horror theater
and his specialty is showing people eaten by wolves onstage, people
torn apart by madmen, that sort of thing.
I looked at videos of a lot of magicians to see what André
could do and how he’d think, and I have the great good luck to live
near to Beverly, Mass., where Marco the Magi and Le Grand David
run a company of stage magicians.
I had a chance to talk to Marco the Magi—Cesareo Pelaez,
who is one of the greatest modern stage magicians.
And I read a wonderful book, which every mystery writer should
run out and read, Henning Nelms’ Magic and Showmanship.
Nelms was a
magician and a mystery writer (under the name Hake Talbot).
He says the essence of magic is the essence of mystery-writing,
which is to tell two stories at once.
One story is what’s really happening, the strings being pulled
and the endless rehearsal and the assistants running around behind
the scenes. But the
bigger story is the myth, the effortless marvel that the magician
is creating for the audience; and if you want to be a successful
magician, that story must appeal to the deepest wishes and desires
of the audience, to the audience’s love of the marvels beyond ordinary
reality.
Magic is witchcraft is making
a myth.
I was hugely influenced
by fairy tales while I was writing A Citizen of the Country,
and especially by a friend, Kelly Link.
Kelly is amazing; she’s won the World Fantasy Award and the
Tiptree Award for her reworkings of fairy tales, and I just kept
saying, “Ooh, if only I could make this story feel like what she
does.”
(Read more
about Kelly Link and the
Interstitial Arts Movement, the home of American inter-genre
magic realism) |
| Q: |
How were you influenced by fortunetelling? |
| SS: |
Fortune-telling is a sort of mythmaking,
don’t you think? The
fortune-teller gets out her cards and the audience is invited to
ask a question, the most important question they can think of. The
fortune-teller spreads out the cards, and there are all the big
deep things of life in colored pictures: death, love, friends, betrayal,
children. When you
have your fortune told, you are opening yourself to the ultimate
questions.
I didn’t really talk to
fortune-tellers because I’m scared of them.
I have a friend who uses Tarot to plot her books, so I did
a little experiment and used fortune-telling myself in writing Sabine’s
parts of the book. Sabine
uses a card deck called the Oracle of Napoleon.
I got a copy from U.S. Games Systems, and every time Sabine
told a fortune, I’d spread out the cards and use the way they came
out. |
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Did it work? |
| SS: |
There’s one moment in the book when Sabine is trying
to tell her own fortune. I cast the fortune for her, and all the cards
except her own came out upside down.
That actually happened.
I was so impressed I had to put it in the book.
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| Q: |
In the past you’ve used real history—but this book is
about witchcraft. |
| SS: |
The book is about people who practice witchcraft,
and in that sense it’s a real historical novel.
What they practice isn’t modern Wicca or neopaganism.
It’s a very old religion dating at least in part from before
the Romans came to Gaul. The
boves, the tunnels underneath the city where the “witches” meet,
are real, two thousand years old; you can still take a tour of them,
and they really are unmapped and extend miles into the countryside. The castle where most of the book is set is a real castle—Mont
St. Eloi, an incredible place, like Mont St. Michel or Stonehenge.
It’s been a Christian holy place since 660 but it was holy
to the local religion before then.
You can just see the ley lines converging on it.
My witch, Sabine, grows up with these beliefs.
She then goes to school in Paris, so she believes in demons
because the Parisians were big on that sort of thing.
The beings she tries to summon were essentially made up by
Arthur Edward Waite, who later did the Waite Tarot.
But she believes in them—so she actually does call up a demon,
though not the one she wanted; a modern demon, who thinks he’s a man.
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| Q: |
Did you talk to any real witches or sorcerers while
you were writing this book? |
| SS: |
I talked to some people who practice Wicca.
But I couldn’t talk to any of the Flanders witches.
As far as I know, they’re all dead. 
a Flanders witch, about 1910 |
| Q: |
What happened to them? |
| SS: |
The First World War.
A Citizen of the Country
is set in French Flanders. “In Flanders field the poppies blow Between the crosses, row
on row…” Before the war Flanders was a bit like Holland, a land
of woods and streams and little villages, and it was full of sorcerers
and magic. The sorcerers
were solitaries—shepherds or, fairly often, priests.
They lived in the little towns along the Arras road, or in
the fields with the sheep.
When the Germans invaded
France in 1914, the German army dug in at Vimy Ridge—which you can
see from the castle where my story is set.
The Germans, the French, the British and Canadians fought
here for nearly four years, and when they were done, the woods were
nothing but splintered stumps in mud; the sheep had run away or
been eaten; the villages had been bombed to the ground.
Now, eighty years later,
there are no woods and no villages; there are only flat beet fields,
still pockmarked from the shelling.
Fields near Vimy Ridge still can’t be plowed because so many
unexploded shells are under the soil.
And there are no more witches
in Flanders.
(Note: After this interview
went up on the site, I got a nice email from a witch in Flanders
telling me I was mistaken. I'm glad.--SS)
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| Q: |
Is Sabine really a witch?
Why did you decide to write about someone so strange?
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| SS: |
I think she’s an ordinary person; I don’t think she’s
strange at all. She wants to practice sorcellerie—changing
le sort, Fate.
Don’t we all want to change our fate?
In this book, at least,
everyone’s trying to change fate, either the fates of their families
or what is going to happen when the war comes. André, Maurice Cyron,
Perdita, the spies, Gilbert Knight… Reisden in particular tries
to change André from a madman to a sane person, tries to change
the doom of a family that’s been unhappy for generations, and he
tries to change the fate of his own family for the sake of his son.
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| Q: |
That’s not what I mean, though.
Not everyone has supernatural experiences, but Sabine does;
she sees when people are about to die.
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| SS: |
She thinks she does.
She sees a grey veil drop over people who are about to die.
What actually happens, you ask?
Read the book but don't ask me; I have no idea.
I actually know someone,
though, who used to see people who were dying.
It was during the Second World War; she would see friends
walking down the street and when the person came closer it was someone
quite different. She’d think “How could I have taken this person
for X?” And a day or so later she’d hear X had died. |
| Q: |
Wow. |
| SS: |
It gave me the idea for what Sabine sees, the premonition,
the precognition of someone’s death.
But the person I know was scared, and Sabine’s delighted; she’s
not going to die and it makes her feel great.
Sabine isn’t an entirely good person—though I like her very
much, and she doesn’t deserve what happens to her. |
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What would that be? |
| SS: |
Now that would be telling. |
| Q: |
You use silent filmmaking in A Citizen of the Country.
Have you ever made films yourself? |
| SS: |
Student films.
Back when I was a film student in England (back when we used
dinosaur-fat torches for fill lighting), there was no such thing
as synchronized sound unless you had money, which we didn’t.
So I wrote a lot of silent scripts, which came in helpfully
here.
I've acted a little, but I don’t really have a camera
face. Instead I used experiences from other people, including Marty
Meyers (thank you, Marty!) and Andreas Teuber who as a young amateur
actor acted with Richard Burton.
While I was writing this
I saw a lot of silent films on video.
I have huge respect and love for them. Silent films are brilliant,
they’re not just Keystone Cops shorts and jumpy, grainy prints.
Film got sophisticated very early, especially trick films. The
trick shot André is trying to get, a decapitation, was first done
by Edison on film in 1893--and as a magic trick, it's very old,
about 4500 years. From about 1900 to 1912, George Méliès, who was a magician,
made what are probably still the best trick films created before
computer animation. But
Edison and Méliès used a jump cut, and André is going to do it in
one single long shot.
(See Melies' trick
films at Google Video. Start with Un homme de tetes, still
amazing--and it was made in 1898.) |
| Q: |
Who designed the special magic effects in the book? |
| SS: |
I knew what I wanted, and a couple of magicians helped
me work them out. (Thank you, Yvette!)
They're supposed to work, but I wouldn't
want to try the guillotine. |
| Q: |
Filmmaking is a form of magic too... |
| SS: |
Film is myth; film is a fairy tale.
In films people really can live happily ever after.
Sabine is not just a witch; she wants to be a film star.
She sees herself on film and, in a real sense, she’s enchanted.
She wants that fate, she wants to be that beautiful blonde
on the screen, perfect for one moment that lasts forever.
And she is.
If this book ever gets made as a film, I want them to make parts
of the silent film André makes, because I want to see Sabine on
screen. She’ll be gorgeous. |
| Q: |
Why did you call the book A Citizen of the Country?
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| SS: |
It’s a book about the countryside
and country people—nobody’s more country than Sabine—but also about
where you live and how you live there, how you take responsibility
for creating a part of your world.
You can make a myth; you can try to change fate; you can
be a citizen and take responsibility; you can be a patriot; you
can get married and have children.
Laurie King said a lovely thing about this book, bless her,
which is that there aren’t any bad people in it, or any wholly good
ones; everyone is trying to do good in their own way.
It reminds me of my favorite line in Rules of the Game,
which very roughly goes “The trouble is, everyone has their own
version of being right.” That
is as good a recipe as any for war and mayhem and destruction.
Everyone in this book tries
to do good in their own way, and it causes terrible troubles. Reisden and Perdita both love their baby, in very different
ways, and want very different kinds of family for him. Maurice Cyron, the famous actor, takes personal responsibility
for his country’s welfare, and for his stepson’s, and it doesn’t
come out well in either case.
André is trying to fulfill his responsibilities in society.
And, like citizens in wartime, they end up caught up in events.
A country is like family
or fate; you think you own land, you try to own it; you try to own
your family and your fate; but land and family and fate own you.
You are the person you are because of how you take up your
responsibilities toward your family, your piece of ground, the place
where you live. |
| Q: |
At the end of the book
something major happens. Does this mean the trilogy is over?
Will we ever see these people again? |
| SS: |
This trilogy is definitely over.
You’ll see why when you read the book.
But Perdita, who was far too busy looking after a small child
in this book, has been telling me all sorts of things she’d like
to do next.
And April 1912 is coming up, and I've been a Titanic
fan for years...
The next book I've written, though, is a
standalone about William Shakespeare. |
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